One aspect of being a writer I've never cracked (as well as, you know, getting the darn novel published) is to strike up constructive relationships with one or more beta readers. This post over on the Literary Rambles blog and this one on Help! I Need a Publisher! discuss the whole area. They've really made me think. I've worked with short story and poetry editors from time-to-time in the past and I've always found it an enjoyable and rewarding experience. But what I don't have, I realise, is someone I can regularly trade drafts with and get constructive criticism from. Somone who is knowledgeable and prepared to be completely frank (but hopefully not too damning). Someone for whom, if they were also a writer, I could reciprocate.
Take the novel I'm working on at the moment, for example. It's sort of a fantasy novel in that it's set in an imaginary world, but there are no mythical beasts or magic spells. Perhaps one of its forebears would be Gormenghast. And I am constantly prevaricating between thinking it's utterly fantastic and utterly ridiculous. It's great, of course, to just write and not censor yourself, but at some point you need to step back and think about whether anyone will actually want to read it. And I just don't know.
I do have writer friends with whom I've had a beta/critique partner relationship in the past but, as if happens, they generally don't go for genre fiction and a fair portion of what I write would be labelled Fantasy or SF (although, as I always say, I hate these pigeonholes). I, in turn, do read and enjoy realist fiction a lot (although it probably wasn't a great idea to suggest throwing in some zombies and/or aliens into that literary novel). My nearest-and-dearest have offered to play the role, but I don't know - aren't there are always going to be problems of objectivity there?
So, I'm interested to know what other people do. Do you work alone? Do you have people you can trade manuscripts with to get honest feedback? Would, even, anyone be interested in striking up such an arrangement to see if it can be mutually beneficial? No strings attached. I'd love to hear from you ...
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Simon Kewin
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Simon is a fantasy/SF writer, the author of over 100 published short stories, quite a lot of poetry and the novels The Genehunter, Engn and the Cloven Land fantasy trilogy.
His short stories have appeared in Nature, Analog, Daily Science Fiction, BFS Horizons, Abyss & Apex and many more.
He's a member of the British Fantasy Society and Untethered Realms.
He's signed to Curiosity Quills Press for the publication of his Engn books and is also an indie author (through Stormcrow Books).
Books
Hedge Witch urban/high fantasy (Cloven Land #1) |
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Wyrm Lord urban/high fantasy (Cloven Land #2) |
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Witch King urban/high fantasy (Cloven Land #3) |
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Hyrn urban/high fantasy (Cloven Land #0) |
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The Cloven Land Trilogy The complete box set |
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The Genehunter dystopian sci/fi detective thriller |
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Engn "a steampunk Gormenghast" |
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Other Worlds fantasy and sci/fi short stories |
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Witching Hour three fantasy short stories Amazon | Kobo | Google | Nook Apple | Buy Direct |
Faces In The Shadows three ghostly short stories Amazon | Kobo | Google | Nook Apple | Buy Direct |
Remembrance Day a Möbius Station short story Amazon | Kobo | Google | Nook Apple | Buy Direct |
The Armageddon Machine a science fiction novella Amazon | Kobo | Google | Nook Apple | Free Download |
Malware a technothriller short story Amazon | Kobo | Google | Nook Apple | Buy Direct |
We, The People Of The Clouds a future Earth novella Amazon | Kobo | Google | Nook Apple | Buy Direct |
Guitar Heroes a fantasy short story Amazon | Kobo | Google | Nook Apple | Free Download |
Museum Beetles a fantasy short story Amazon | Kobo | Google | Nook Apple | Buy Direct |
Seek Alternative Route a short story Amazon | Kobo | Google | Nook Apple | Buy Direct |
Live from the Continuing Explosion a science fiction short story Amazon | Kobo | Google | Nook Apple | Free Download |
Slay Ride a Christmas Miscellany Amazon | Kobo | Google | Nook Apple | Free Download |
The Clockwork King a fantasy novella Amazon | Kobo | Nook | Google Apple | Buy Direct |
Spell Circles fantasy short stories 1999-2011 Amazon | Kobo | Nook | Google Apple | Buy Direct |
Eccentric Orbits sci/fi short stories 1999-2011 Amazon | Kobo | Nook | Google Apple | Buy Direct |
Life Cycles literary short stories 1999-2011 Amazon | Kobo | Nook | Google Apple | Buy Direct |
Perfect Circles collected short stories 1999-2011 Amazon | Kobo | Nook | Google Apple | Buy Direct |
The Publishometer
323 works + 69 reprints = 392 publications:
Full list of published books, stories and poems
Box sets | 1 | |
Novels | 5 | + 1 reprint |
Short story collections | 8 | |
Novellas/novelettes | 12 | + 6 reprints |
Short Stories | 65 | + 36 reprints |
Flash stories | 57 | + 16 reprints |
Micro stories | 87 | |
Poems | 76 | + 10 reprints |
Audiobooks/Podcasts | 12 |
Copyright © Simon Kewin.
An interesting dilemma - good critique is invaluable. I've been lucky - I belong to an excellent writers group in Yeovil, but I also belong to the writing forum Litoia where I've managed to improve my writing no end. Along the way I've 'met' a few people who I now trade manuscripts with occasionally - these are generally people writing in the same genre as me who I know will give me honest feedback.
ReplyDeleteKate,
ReplyDeleteThanks for the feedback - I think I'll mosy on over to Litopia and have a look.
Gormenghast! that brings back memories -- I read it at art school.
ReplyDeleteI'm lucky to have an agent to run things by, but she's very busy and she has dozens of clients, so I have to use my few chances of feedback wisely. I do have some writer friends, but they are pretty distant and I don't really want to trouble them with my writing, knowing that they're involved in theirs.
Close friends and relatives are problematic. In my experience the useful things they say can easily be lost in the things they think you want to hear, but some of them might surprise you. at least, that's what I've found.
Simon, I suppose I'm going out on a limb here, but I'd be interested in reading some of your writing, especially the intriguing Hedge Witch or extracts from your current novel. Perhaps in the new year when I'm not so busy? And an extra pair of eyes would be useful to me too, as I push to the finish with my SF/paranormal novel. let me know if you're interested, no strings attached, etc. I'm not sure I'd be much good as a regular correspondant though.
Thomas,
ReplyDeleteThat's extremely generous and probably crazy of you!
Don't worry - I know all about being far too busy and I'm certainly not suggesting anything too intrusive or onerous for either of us. But if you're interested, great, let's see how it goes. If it doesn't work out, no worries. I'll still follow your delightful blog! And, yes, I'm certainly interested in your SF/paranormal novel.
One thing I would ask for, though, is brutal honesty. We're only vaguely acquainted in an online sort of way, so the temptation is to be polite. I'm sure we can be polite and completely frank?
Anyway - in the new year. If you do want to contact me directly, my email address is on my web site.
Ha ha, I'm sure it's not crazy. I like what I've read of your work, Simon, so I don't think I'm letting myself into a tricky situation, and Hedge Witch has a publishable air about it somehow. So not crazy at all, though I just don't see myself being able to commit to anything too regular -- A lot of my own career is up in the air right now.
ReplyDeleteAs for honesty, I'm all for that running both ways, though it's not easy as you suggest.
Anyway, I'll send you my e-mail address through your site and we'll take it from there.